John MacArthur and Pulpit & Pen Exposed
Pulpit & Pen blog (hereafter referred to as P&P) is a big player in the “discernment” community, and has become synonymous with polemics (their favorite phrase). With a penchant for exposing error, it behooves anyone who is even flirting with heresy to mind the crosshairs of the sniper squad at P&P. They are known for ruthless and unabashed shaming and anathematizing of any and all who deny fundamental truths of the Gospel, and have no time for the silly games of the “seeker sensitive” movement. Though much of what they say is true, biblical, unapologetic and with precedent, it is what they refuse to say about John MacArthur that brings us to this particular juncture.
The “mastermind” behind P&P is JD Hall, pastor and preeminent one of Fellowship Baptist Church in Sidney, Montana. P&P describes itself on their website as, “a ministry of Pastor JD Hall.” And also states that, “All published content is ultimately the responsibility of Pastor Hall.” Hall mentions himself 5 times in the about section, 3 of which contain his coveted honorific style of “pastor.” Most simply cannot stand not to have “Rabbi” in front of their name. I suppose Matthew 23:10, which expressly forbids such self glorification fell out of his bible. He might have replaced it with a page right out of the book of Diotrephes; he loves the preeminence.
There are other contributors at P&P but since JD has placed all responsibility ultimately on him, we’ll kindly oblige him.
Hall is no stranger to controversy; sometimes justified; sometimes not. He likes to gather “scalps” as he puts it (at least that’s what he said on the phone). “Polemics” is his favorite unbiblical word, and his potential undoing, as it doesn’t seem his aim is focused anywhere other than everywhere. JD has been critiqued by many for this directionless explosive-vomit style polemical punditry. Janet Mefferd was attacked by JD Hall on Twitter back in 2015, and she re-posted the same article last month because of his continued “insulting and abusing” of Christians, as she put it. Though this is not my primary concern, I find it interesting to note. Confronting someone’s error is indeed commanded in Scripture, especially when it is doctrinal, but Hall seems to anathematize anyone who is not subscribed to his blog. Just something to note before we move on to real issue; hypocrisy. While I can admit that P&P has rightly rebuked many such as Beth Moore, Steven Furtick, Carl Lentz, John Piper, and Al Mohler, it is what they have refused to say that everyone ought to take umbrage with.
JD is close personal friends with Phil Johnson (executive director of Grace to You), the right hand man to John MacArthur. JD and Phil are not only personal friends, but routinely partner in ministry together and speak at conferences. Sharing the platform at a billed christian conference with a presumed christian audience where there is no rebuke of another on the platform is an endorsement of that person. It is the extension of the right hand of fellowship (Amos 3:3). This is evident.
This alliance; this brotherhood, is one that is to remain unbroken no matter the cost. Given that papa John (MacArthur) is the source of their proverbial pizza, they dare not cross him or any of his cohorts. There is a partiality shown among these men that is pathetic if not gross. Unity in the faith is one thing, and to be encouraged, but unity to the exclusion of necessary rebuke and separation from leaven is impudent and sinful.
So, what’s the big deal?
P&P are staunch defenders and promoters of John MacArthur. After all, who wants to jeopardize their invitation to the famed Shepherd’s Conference, and opportunity to rub elbows with other like-minded Diotrephetic celebrities who love greetings in the marketplaces and titles before their names… right? Though MacArthur has spoken many truths in his years this, however, does not excuse ANY error on his part. Recall the awesome words of Jesus to the church in Ephesus: “NEVERTHELESS I have this against you…” So great was this “nevertheless” that if not heeded the lampstand would be removed. Past good does not justify any sin… ever… by anyone….including John MacArthur. What a sad testament to the dereliction surrounding us that this even has to be stated.
John MacArthur is in open fellowship and ministry partnership with Al Mohler, Mark Dever, Matt Chandler and John Piper. They are all members of “Together for the Gospel” and have been for years. They gather TOGETHER every year as those in agreement; with one accord.
Since at least 2006, John MacArthur has been a member, partner, advocate, and partaker in everything T4G is and represents. These men are his brothers in arms, his allies, and he theirs. They are all members of different churches and backgrounds who have seen fit to come together with one accord; to unite for the gospel. They are an elite crew of men who are known to stand for truth, orthodoxy, modesty, and reject error.
To say they are not partners (as some bereft of reason altogether have foolishly stated) is to reject reality and conform to a standard of make-believe that Walt Disney himself would find comically disconnected. So, what’s the problem? Christian unity is a good thing, right? Ephesians 4 makes that pretty clear, doesn’t it? We are supposed to come together, especially for the gospel. While those things are true, they assume something very important: That those we come together with are walking in accord with the commands of Christ and the whole of Scripture. Herein lies the problem.
Since 2010 (at least), John Piper has openly embraced heretics with no subsequent repudiation. He infamously invited “Purpose Driven” heretic Rick Warren to the 2010 Desiring God conference. Amid the ensuing backlash Piper doubled down and invited Warren to a sit down to “grill him” on doctrine in an attempt to assuage the anger and confusion of those around him.
The meeting was largely Piper trying to convince others of what he had already deluded himself into thinking, namely that Warren was christian enough to parade around with and that the Purpose Driven Life, if contorted just the right way, could be deemed to have some modicum of sound doctrine in it. This was all a pretext to prove his unwavering love of truth and prudence to his followers. Piper then doubled down saying of Warren,
“…I think he is theological and doctrinal and sound.” Since then, Piper has continued, at gold medal pace, in his pursuit of buffoonery, and all out apostasy, embracing the likes of Beth Moore, Francis Chan, Louie Giglio, Carl Lentz and the entire Passion Conference movement in all its heretical “glory.” In 2012 Piper joined Beth Moore at the Passion on stage for a little afternoon session of Lectio Divina. Nothing like capping off a day with mystical Catholic contemplative prayer.
Piper has continued strong with the Passion movement embracing all they are, including music by Hillsong United (of Brian Houston’s apostate Hillsong Church) and Jesus Culture (of Bill Johnson’s apostate Bethel Church). Nothing if not consistent.
Matt Chandler is also a friend to the Passion movement and Louie Giglio. Giglio is the founder and leader of the Passion Conference which generates millions at stadium events yearly and showcases some of the newest and most tattooed fledgling heretics in the game including Carl Lentz and Levi Lusko. But this is not surprising, however, considering that Louie Giglio found himself at the Vatican, in July of 2015, with his wife Shelley waiting in line to greet the Pope with a hug and a kiss . The same Roman papacy that Spurgeon called, unabashedly, “Antichrist.” This pope kissing, heretic embracing, seeker sensitive guru is Matt Chandler’s friend, associate, and partner in ministry. They are not mere acquaintances; Chandler considers it a joy to be part of the Passion Conference.
Beth Moore is not only a friend to Giglio and the Passion movement but she is quite fond of veteran prosperity heretic Joyce Meyer. She is friends with Christine Caine, the Hillsong pastrix, and she loves Joel Osteen as well. This is who Beth Moore is and has been…. and guess what? Matt Chandler is her friend and partner in ministry. He partners with her at conferences, promotes her books, and tweets her regularly in a brotherly, friendly, “we’re in this together” kind of way.
Are you starting to see a pattern here? Albert Mohler and Mark Dever are two peas in a pod. Remember our buddy Rick Warren; the man who says, “If you love Pope Francis, you’ll love Jesus.”? The Rick Warren who is a friend to Oprah and the world? Well, our other buddy Al Mohler is friends with him too. We wrote an article about this earlier in the year. In 2013 Al Mohler took a trip to Saddleback Church to hang out with the Purpose Driven pastor, and then they continued the love on twitter. Al Mohler is also a member of the ever apostate Southern Baptist Convention (SBC). The SBC invited both Warren and Francis Chan to speak at their conference in 2014. Francis Chan has publicly stated, TWICE, that he loves false prophet Mike Bickle. This same SBC is home to Russell Moore who is the president of the ERLC (Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission). Russell Moore joined a fight to help build a mosque in a New Jersey township. This was a fight that they voluntarily joined. He went out of his way to speak in defense of an antichrist religion who had been denied a permit to build.
Any guesses as to who Russell Moore’s good friend and ministry partner is? You guessed it; Mark Dever of Capitol Hill Baptist church. He and Moore travel and speak together frequently. This whole network looks more like a spiritual orgy than it does the body of Christ. Mark Dever and Al Mohler are both ministry partners with mosque-supporting Russell Moore. Al Mohler is also friendly with Rick Warren. John Piper openly embraced Rick Warren as of 2010 and never repudiated that endorsement. He has since gone on to become a staple at Louie Giglio’s Passion conference along with Matt Chandler. Chandler is also friends and partners in ministry with Beth Moore. This kind of soap operatic tangled web of love and lies becomes taxing rather quickly. So, what does it all mean?
The bible gives us clear commands about how to deal with those who embrace heresy and false teaching; SEPARATE!
Romans 16:17 says to “mark” and “avoid” those who cause divisions contrary to sound doctrine.
This is a command not a suggestion. 1 Corinthians 5:11 says that if a named brother is in sin, that we are not even to eat with him. Again; not a suggestion, but a command. 2 Corinthians 6:14 says not to be yoked with an unbeliever as light and darkness have no fellowship. But, most haunting is 2 John 11 which says that if anyone comes bringing false doctrine, not in accord with what Christ taught, that we are not to welcome them into our homes or even to greet them for to greet them would be to share in their evil; to become a partaker of the very same thing they are doing. This is aiding and abetting the enemy of Christ and would be akin to treason in our world. Some have ignorantly tried to dismiss this by saying, “that’s guilt by association.” Call it what you’d like; it’s 2 John 11, and you’re not the Holy Spirit. Charles Spurgeon, Martyn Lloyd-Jones, and Matthew Henry agreed with this as well. Spurgeon once stated,
“Participation with known and vital error is sin… That I might not stultify my testimony I have cut myself clear of those who err from the faith and even from those that associate with them.” Martn Lloyd-Jones was asked to partner with Billy Graham in 1963 and refused to do so, in part, because Graham shared a platform with “Catholics and liberals.”
In his commentary on 2 John 11 Matthew Henry states:
“Favour and affection partake of the sin. We may be sharers in the iniquities of others. How judicious and how cautious should the Christian be! There are many ways of sharing the guilt of other people’s transgressions; it may be done by culpable silence, indolence, unconcernedness, private contribution, public countenance and assistance, inward approbation, open apology and defence. The Lord pardon our guilt of other persons’ sins!”
We cannot join someone in meaningful fellowship without endorsing what they endorse (Amos 3:3). And if there can be no meaningful fellowship, as Spurgeon said, there ought not even be the “pretense of fellowship.” Piper, Mohler, Dever and Chandler are partakers in the evil of all of their evil cohorts despite any truth they may say. This makes them as guilty of the same thing, and therefore in sin.
When John MacArthur joins hands with them, he joins hands with people partaking in evil. Ah, but some will say, “that is secondary separation.” How foolish! The word “partaker” makes the notion of “secondary” utterly without merit. It is
now the first degree all over again. One cannot get secondary AIDS, or secondary herpes, can they? NO! STD’s are no less potent the 5th time around; in fact, sometimes worse. It is interesting to note that every time God condemns his people for going astray spiritually, He likens it to harlotry; prostitution and
adultery. He uses vivid, intimate sexual analogies to convey just how egregious their error is. What is the result of promiscuity, but disease? These spiritual orgies are causing an epidemic of STD’s (Spiritually Transmitted Diseases).
The bible knows nothing of “secondary separation,” but only “a little leaven leavens the whole lump.” MacArthur is guilty, not of mere association, but of open embrace and partnership with men who parade around with heretics and have therefore become heretics themselves.
Have we forgotten the folly of the Pharisees whom Jesus called sons of hell? They received His harshest words, and in part, because they knew and said correct things, and did the opposite. Speaking truth is meaningless if your actions contradict your words. Many say, “Yes, but MacArthur has said this true
thing, and that true thing.” But what of his actions? Jesus said of the Pharisees, “…they say and do not do.” (Matthew 23:3). Piper and MacArthur are partners together in a group with “TOGETHER” in the title. It can’t be more plain than that. Piper has fallen; MacArthur embraces him; MacArthur has fallen.
So, what does all of this have to do with JD Hall and P&P? For a guy and a crew who love nothing more that to engage in polemics, and attack pretty much anything that has breath for error in any sense, why are they so unwilling to touch this subject? They have covered all of these people individually but when asked in private why he wouldn’t address John MacArthur, JD maintained that he only affirms “one degree of separation.” He has no biblical foundation for this, as I’ve just shown. The real reason is self preservation. JD and crew are in the business of church business. They are sycophants who cannot bear the thought of alienating themselves from their crown affiliation; John MacArthur. This is, in short, idolatry. Unwillingness to rebuke ANYONE in error, because of their stature or status, and especially because of what they have to offer you, betrays a self love that would make Madonna envious.
JD Hall and P&P are little boys in little league who think they’re swinging with the Babe, when in fact, their desire to maintain the status quo, and protect their affiliations and platforms ensures they will never make it to the big leagues. Oh, they may amass a following of other little leaguers, but that’s still little league.
Boyish partiality has no business in the kingdom of God. God calls soldiers who can fight, and will lay down their lives for their King, not little boys in dress up who have vivid imaginations. If you can’t call out a hypocrite in your midst, what are you going to do when they march you to the gallows?
If you can’t call out a heretic embracing derelict like MacArthur, what are you going to do when persecution unto death comes knocking?
Generally speaking, when guys like this feel threatened, they resort to ad hominem attacks. They resort to questioning the integrity of the messenger rather than confronting the issue; they seek to discredit the messenger’s education, background, church or fellowship. It becomes purely retaliatory. This is the best they can do when they have no answers and refuse to humble themselves. Hopefully we see the latter.
It’s time that someone discern the “discernment ministries” for their hypocritical, and cowardly personal favoritism.
Justin Peters is unfortunately next. We have an hour long phone call that will showcase his blind loyalty to MacArthur.
P.S. Piper and MacArthur are slated to join together twice in 2018. This is NOT old news.
You nailed it. This exactly what so many of we ‘unheard’ voices in Christ have been posting and emailing for years now. E.S. Williams has a new book about John Piper’s false gospel of Christian Hedonism (amazon) This group of men are bound together by an association of I’ll scratch your back, you scratch mine. The name “good ole boys club’ is not one without merit. This become cultist is a very sly ‘theological’ way. The Bible clearly calls it ‘tickling ears’. How disappointing to see John MacArthur glued to all these compromisers and sadly, considering the scripture 2 John 9-11 as you posted, it is with a heavy, heavy heart I must agree with what God says of men who entertain/align with evil. Surely the Lord is coming soon.
I find your article thought provoking and will prayerfully concider your allegations of “heretics”! Serious stuff!
I totally agree with what you are exposing. It is hypocrisy to call out those they do (rightly) and ignore MacArthur and Johnson. JD Hall’s explanation of his shallow degree of separation is very much lacking in Scriptural examples! He used one verse in all the bible to defend his “one-degree” of separation. You are also right in saying he will attack the messenger rather than get to the heart of the issue. And this is something he rightly criticizes James White for! I find much hypocrisy and compromise in all of these ‘big names’ out there. I also was appalled at JD Hall stating that anyone who isn’t part of a local church cannot be considered a Christian. Wow. There are Christians in this world who cannot find a biblically sound church. There is MUCH compromise out there, and if you’re not of the reformed bent (i.e. a so-called sabbath) you are out of ‘luck’ a lot of the time. He is not humble and needs to grow up in many ways. I find myself deleting people off of iTunes downloads left and right. May the Lord give his people wisdom and humility in these days where few are being (or are) saved. And many who are, are holding to the traditions of men and/or compromising.
This may be the dumbest thing I’ve read in a long time. You all are lacking any kind of grace. These “heretics” all embrace the most foundational doctrines of the oldest creeds in Christendom. (Nicene and Apostle’s) You all however, embrace divisive rhetoric and behavior that brings shame to the body of Christ. Why don’t you just return to the very important argument about how many angels can fit on the head of a pin, and call anyone who disagrees with you as “heretics”. Apparently grace covers only those who are doctrinally correct in every way. Am I the only one who sees the irony in that? Shameful. I am confident in God’s mercy toward you since I’m sure you mean well.
The pharisees embraced the oldest creeds in Judaism as well, and were considered the most conservative religious group at the time. Jesus reserved His harshest words for them. Why? HYPOCRISY. Saying one thing and doing another. Please see the article on “guilt by association” Spurgeon and Martyn Lloyd-Jones would have disagreed with your assessment, just so you know.
Was Jesus lacking in grace in Matthew 23, or was He justified?
Thanks for this comment. I couldn’t believe what I was reading.
Please state what was biblically or factually inaccurate about the article instead of deferring to base sycophantic rhetoric. Thanks.
What is the hypocrisy? We are all hypocrites. I am no defender of MacArthur at all. In many ways, he is a pharisee today. I am so disappointed because these rifts and criticisms reflect badly on Jesus. He came to seek and save the lost. The lost being both the rebellious AND self-righteous. Only the Lord knows the condition of my heart and only the Lord through the Holy Spirit can heal it. As Christians we are to pepper our conversations with grace, full of salt and light to point the way to the Love of the Father.
Great Point. . . Duly noted!
I believe you are taking the verse and Henry out of context
9 Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, 11 for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.
as Henry States:
Here, I. Upon due warning given concerning seducers, the apostle gives direction concerning the treatment of such. They are not to be entertained as the ministers of Christ. The Lord Christ will distinguish them from such, and so would he have his disciples. The direction is negative. 1. “Support them not: If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine (concerning Christ as the Son of God, the Messiah and anointed of God for our redemption and salvation), receive him not into your house.”
In this context the only heretics are the people who deny concerning Christ as the Son of God, the Messiah and anointed of God for our redemption and salvation.
In light of this show me where Macarthur, Platt, Friel, Johnson and Piper are receiving people who do not affirm this doctrine, otherwise it seems you are lacking in grace of a fellow believer.
1 Tim 5:1
Do not rebuke an older man but encourage him as you would a father, younger men as brothers, older women as mothers, younger women as sisters, in all purity.
Henry did not affirm that. The immediate context is regarding gnosticism, but the principle applies to any heresy. It is an indefensible position and an arbitrary hermeneutic that applies this verse to gnosticism alone. I quoted Henry’s commentary. He very clearly believes we can share in the general sins of others. Are we really suggesting that Mormonism would not qualify here? Of course not. Anyone who brings false doctrine is impugning the name and therefore the character of Christ, exactly as gnosticism did. Therefore, Piper is sharing in the wicked error of Giglio, Lentz, Moore, Lusko, Hillsong, Jesus Culture, Warren, etc… same for Platt who is an advocate of Francis Chan who “loves” Mike Bickle. The entire tenor of scripture supports this evidently. To befriend the enemies of God is to become His enemy as well… especially as it pertains to “religious” endeavors.
How u can reconcile this article with the fact that you can find a ton of videos on YouTube with RC and Macarthur, together, calling each other friends (with differences in theological thought), onstage and agreeing on many points of doctrine, is beyond me. I agree with the rest of the names being cited for false doctrine however, last time I checked, God was still on the throne/judgment seat. Check your heart. It comes across hardened in this article. With love….
Wow man, you are way of base. Pharisaical attitude for sure. Those are godly men you are condemning…
Please state, specifically, what was biblically or factually in error. Thank you.
You (Servus Christi), the above article, the Youtube video (Pulpit & Pen Founder Says, “John MacArthur is WRONG…”), and JD Hall I did not know existed on planet earth until around 45 mins ago. I’ve never read Hall’s stuff or yours until this afternoon. You both do good work here and there, but both of you measure everyone by your specific standards. Indeed, your method is essentially the same as Hall’s, from what I can tell, and so you find yourself- rather ironically- on the sharp end of the same weapon you use on others.
As to the above article, I find it rather poorly done, as it amounts to this: MacArthur is wrong because he associates as a Christian leader with other Christian leaders who are wrong. B. B. Warfield believed in an old earth, does that mean every theologians, pastor, and Christian who identified in fellowship with him was wrong and sinful? Calvin was a paedobaptist and hated baptists, and in this he was wrong. Do all who claim to be Calvinists become dishonored by this? The great Welsh preacher, Martin Lloyd-Jones believed in the continuation of the Charismatic gifts. Was everyone associated with him by fellowship wrong and in sin? Clearly, your basic thesis is preposterous!
Your Youtube video came across as an angry man who’d been beat at his own game by JD Hall. There’s no Christian grace in your video, or the above article. Your heart is full of anger.
I do have to say that I do admire the work that you and JD Hall have done in exposing error and heresy. And I am convinced that many of the big conservative evangelicals are too buddy-buddy, and others, like Icarus, have flown to close to the sun.
My advice: repent of your hardness and whining. If possible, reconcile with Hall; but remember- you use the same weapon in critiquing others.
Was there “Christian grace” in Matthew 23; Yes or No?
Was Jesus heart “full of anger” in Matthew 23; yes or no?
P.S. I’m not critiquing hall for critiquing anyone, but rather from abstaining from critiquing some. I think you’ve misunderstood the entire premise of the argument. Please answer the above questions. Thanks.
Are you aware of what Jd hall his cronies say about others? are you aware he uses the same arguments to slander other Christians? Just because Jd hall /pulpit and pen do get things right. They do speak a lot of truth. BUT the are hypocrites. They fact that JD hall and other attack using the association argument against people makes it completely legit to use his own argument against him. HAll/ Dunn/ etc use “sins” to point fingers while doing the same but come up with excuses why they are different. Also they often speak out of their ass and when the get called out, they then have to do research and try to add things to show they are right. I would love to be able to see their lives like God does.
I can empathize with passion, but please do me a favor and amend the curse word. I would appreciate it for everyone’s sake including yours.
Maybe before casting judgement you should do some more research into all the players involved. Comparing Servus Chrisit and Pulpit and pen without knowing either is a good way to be mislead. I personally dont think spending your life trying to take down other Christians isn’t cool. I understand there are “christians” who mislead and distort the message. You should call people out when you notice. There are different ways to call people out. Yours reasons for doing it shouldn’t be for self glory. Hall, seth dunn and other at PP seem to only do it for the glory and status they get from it. There are different levels to. Someone new to the faith could easily be misinterpreting or not understanding. There certainly are people who mislead on purpose. Your goal in calling people out should be to help save them, try to stop the false message from getting shared and to help save the people who where getting mislead. NOT to make money, not to sell overpriced merch and take advantage of the people who believe you and not to bring glory onto yourself. All glory to God.
You remind me, SC, of a petulant teenager determined to prove her point.
I’ve heard worse.
Ironic that petulant teenagers are in the habit of calling each other “petulant teenagers” instead of dealing with facts.
Now what was said that was biblically or factually in error?
Thank you for that enlightening comment. If you’d care to exercise your vocabulary a bit more and state what was biblically or factually inaccurate about the post, please do so. Happy to address any concerns you might have.
I have to say I agree with many of the comments already stated. It seems to me that you are doing exactly what you are accusing others of doing. As a mature Christian man seeking to share the Gospel with others, you would focus on that. Instead, it seems more important that you tears others down in an embarrassing effort to make yourself look better, holier… more righteous??? I don’t know what your point is. But I do know that I stand behind MacArthur, Johnson, Chan, Washer, Platt… probably everyone you choose to rip apart. And I don’t simply take them at their word. I read… I read a lot & I pray for wisdom & discernment. I only read this article because of trying to give you the benefit of the doubt. You referred me to YOUR article when I questioned a video on YouTube. I guess I should have expected that. I was hoping for another source. This proves nothing to me but confirms the opinion of your work I’ve already formed. I believe I’ll simply have to respectfully disagree & be sure to pass on watching any further videos.
I’m accusing them of partnering with heretics because they are. I am NOT doing that, so NO, I’m not doing what I’m accusing them of. You are either confused or lying.
I suppose the irony is lost on you that you are “tearing me down” in an embarrassing effort to make yourself “look better, holier… more righteous???”
Apparently you can’t live up to your own standard.
Your response is simply emotional and biblically illiterate. If you can’t state, specifically, what was said that was biblically or factually inaccurate, then you are bearing false witness and willfully suppressing truth.
If you’d like to talk facts, please do so, but your own emotional standard has unwittingly and ironically undermined your entire comment. Or perhaps you are a consummate hypocrite and feel you are the only one with the privilege of rebuke. Which is it?
At the top, you label yourself as Servus Christi (I’m no Latin expert, but that at least makes sense to me) Subsequently, in your responses, however, your profile name comes up as Servus Chrisit (until the very end, anyway, when it seems to have been corrected. Is there just one of you responding, and my above assumption is correct, or are there many of you, and one just got the spelling wrong? Just curious,
I am the one who responds to these personally. There is likely a typo. Where is it that you are seeing “chrisit”?
Greetings Servus Christi in the name of our Lord.
I have never heard of you before yesterday. Then I received a notice of a new “posting” by P&P which had a picture of Paul Washer, asking “Is Paul Washer Partnering With Hillsong?”
So I read the article, it was such a terrible attack upon you, and justifying Paul Washer’s unbiblical standing with “Hillsong” that I ended up watch 2 of your Video’s.
I will give thanks unto the Lord for your standing for the truth, concerning the SBC, John MacArthur, Mohler and anyone associated with the SBC!
I’ve personally been warning believers to stop supporting the heresies of John MacArthur, the SBC, Paul Washer, Piper, Justin Peters for their outright supporting of organizations.
But mostly I was warning persons of John MacArthur’s Masonic Freemasonry ties, his Anti-Christ teachings which deny the Eternal Sonship of Jesus Christ, JM’s denial that the Blood of Jesus does not cleanse us from our sins, and finally his heretical teaching that believers can take the “Mark of the Beast” and be saved!
I would like to share with you a website that gives further details concerning John MacArthur and his “hidden agenda” due to his familial connections with the Masonic Cult.
This web-site also gives detailed information on the various discernment Ministries and all of their inter-connecting networks with the One World Church Organizations and the Global push for One World Order. The information given reveals without a shadow of doubt, that what “main-stream” Christianity represents is nothing short of the Anti-Christ Spirit and it’s hatred for the Truth of the Gospel as taught by the Lord Jesus Christ and His Apostles.
I just desired to give thanks to you, and to the Lord first and foremost for giving you the discernment, and the understanding of scriptures to see through the vile and wicked devices of the false church and those that are leading it!
The depth of deception that has been taking place for decades is unbelievably shocking, and the poor unlearned Babes In Christ will suffer such undue pain and turmoil in their faith in Christ because they will at first be sucked into the vile doctrinal teachings of these heretics and enemies of the Gospel.
I could go on and on, but I will state this, the Lord some 22 years ago burned these scripture into my heart, so that I would be protected from the “snare of the fowler” and his despicable doctrinal twistings in order to deceive. So many believers or professed believers do not understand that we are to “prove all things, HOLD FAST to that which is true”. We are to learn what is exceptable in God’s eyes and How HE views what is evil, and what is good.
Eph 5: 1-17 is very explainable to what the LORD desires us to do, without any “if” ands or “buts”!
As Ephesians 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
Eph 5:10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE TO THE LORD, not our own personal interpretation!
The Lord taught me so many years ago concerning “a little leaven, leavens the whole Lump”! And when I have heard you state this so many times in your videos, I rejoiced finally someone else has been taught this and is speaking it! Also its the “little foxes that spoil the vine” God is letting us know that HE is a GOD of specific DETAILS, and not emotional subjective’isms’.
It has been such a comfort and encouragement to hear someone speak and take a stand as you have it has assisted me in keeping the Faith, and fighting the fight, to continue on, and fight the discouragement I have been experiencing lately.
Okay that is enough for now. Let me know if it is acceptable to place a link for the Web-site I mentioned above.
If not, I will give you the name of it: “Watch-Unto-Prayer.org”
The Lord bless you brother, I stand alone in Montreal Canada.
Apparently, Servus Cristi you got the attention of P&P he wrote a lengthy rebuke, stated he had a conversation with you, and actually stated you might not even be a Christian. He also guaranteed that Paul Washer and John MacArthur are assured entrance into glory. In one post he decided who is and who isnt going to heaven, which according to my reading of Scripture this privilege is reserved only for our Father in Heaven. Frankly, I agree we have to “fight for the faith” but it looks to me all these blogs, etc. and pot shots is just consuming the body of Christ, Right now I am in Ukraine on mission and have been a missionary for 10 years in some of the poorest, most dangerous countries in the world, “And they over came the devil by the blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony and love not their lives unto death.” This doesnt sound like a description of the modern church thats for sure
I pray you have been encouraged and/or emboldened by whatever you have found here.
Yes, the boys at P&P are upset that their business loyalty is being exposed for what it is. They are fraudulent hypocrites. This is about warning others of the hypocrisy that they may fall into. Jesus warned of the leaven of the Pharisees. Given that these people have such broad spheres of influence and are capable of speaking truth and even calling people like Steven Furtick false teachers, it in no way absolves their hypocritical guilt. It makes them more dangerous.
Dear Servus Christi,
I saw your video about John MacArthur after I had been watching some of his videos on Youtube.
I appreciate your warning so much. I looked into TGC and I have found some disturbing things concerning them. I had never heard of them before I saw your video “John MacArthur caught in a Lie”. I made a horrible mistake and told my pastor what I learned. Immediately, I was rebuked for saying anything against these men involved in The Gospel Coalition and John MacArthur. I was told that they are great men and his inspirations. Through that, I found out that my pastor had signed The Manhatten Declaration. He told me that he would partner with Roman Catholics or Jehovah’s Witnesses or anyone who espouses political goals that align with his. I tried to keep an open mind, but that night, I went to sleep and I KNEW that I couldn’t go along with it. For the last 3 weeks, I have been in grief. I am alone and now out of my church. But, the reaction that Pastor had when I questioned these men told me that these men are “Sacred Cows” that must not be questioned. I think there’s a lot of money involved in this stuff. There’s a very good documentary on Youtube called, “Church of Tares”, and it exposes Rick Warren and his connection to Peter Drucker and that Drucker is the funding behind Warren’s movement. That documentary was very important. I have tried to find out WHO is financially behind TGC and I can’t find anything. I can find videos that say that Tim Keller was greatly intrigued with The Frankfurt School of Neomarxism, but I can’t find out WHO or What organization is funding this group. If you can find out, please tell us. I am very interested in knowing their funding source. This is about money. I am sure about that. The Wartburg Watch is sure of that also. Thank you for what you are doing and stand strong. My pastor came out against me when I spoke up and I know that other people are going to be deceived by these men. Father and Lord Jesus and Lord Holy Spirit Bless and Keep You and don’t worry. They apparently hate it if you expose their “Sacred Cows” of Evangelism. But, what would Jesus say about this stuff. We both know what Lord Jesus would say. The Lord had nothing and was very poor on earth. He called us to follow in His Footsteps.
I am saddened and encouraged by your post all at once. Your story is not an uncommon one. For those that dare to question why the leadership is doing what they ought not be, it rarely bodes well. You are right. Money, power, prestige and influence become the governing factors rather than biblical loyalty. Error is justified for the sake of their platform. Tragic. Yet I am encouraged to know that you were bold to address this and stand your ground. Corrupt leadership has plagued the church cyclically since the beginning, even going back to the Old Testament. The prophets of the Old Testament almost exclusively rebuked the leaders of Israel.
The Gospel Coalition, Together for the Gospel, G3, The Send Conference, etc… are comprised of a “good ol’ boys club” where those who question it will be purged from it. So it is will all institutions, but these guys tend to be particularly militant about it. Keller and TGC are DANGEROUS men through and through. I’m not sure about funding from particular organizations, but I’m assuming there are dozens of churches that contribute to them for the chance for their pastors to be invited to conferences, etc. It’s a lobbying game no different than corrupt politics. It may be possible to find some of this out, but I doubt it. What I do know is this… Whoever is funding them independently should stop and NOBODY should support them. It would not surprise me one bit to find out that there were several Jesuit members. The whole organization reeks of a “Trojan Horse” operation. I am working on a couple of other projects right now, but I will see if I can find specifics concerning their funding.
Be bold; be courageous; stand for truth no matter the cost; stand for Christ and the truth of His word. We ought to obey God rather than men (Acts 5:29). Much more to come. I pray you have been and continue to be edified by what you find here. May God bless you and keep you.
God Bless you
Joshua (Servus Christi)
These high profile ‘celebrity pastors’ have a huge following, their ‘fans’ defend them and ignore the scriptural warnings to separate. Biblical illiteracy is one reason why we see, even in this comment section, defense of these wolves. Discernment is at a low ebb in our day, men pleasers are held in high esteem regardless of their erroneous and sinful ways/affiliations.
God will NOT be mocked, these powerful men will not escape the deep penetrating eyes of Christ, who sees all and knows all. Judgment will be swift and final.
This was an interesting read. I myself was accused of being a heretic last night by a defender of John MacArthur, who accused me also of putting down a “great Christian preacher”, even though John MacArthur clearly corrupts the gospel with his teachings. This man also accused me of being unsaved and called me an idiot, not very smart, and uneducated. He justified this by saying it was ok since Jesus called names (“serpent” and “viper” are very different from “idiot”, I should say). He denies that John MacArthur teaches Lordship Salvation, but then goes on to say that if Jesus is not the Lord of your life He is not your Saviour. He backed this up by using Bible verses where people called Jesus Lord. Granted, there’s nothing wrong with calling Jesus “Lord”, because He is the Lord. However, this defender of John MacArthur didn’t even bother to acknowledge the gospel. From what I could see, he was upset and emotional because I exposed MacArthur as a heretic. Why do people get emotional when preachers they like get exposed or, at the very least, corrected?
John McArthur is a smug troublemaker and a self righteous man who approriates a teaching that no make could acomplish.
I guess I follow your line of reasoning. I hardly read anything other than the Bible and that keeps me busy. I have never been one for heroes in my live especially secular – even before becoming a Christian (in the US Navy, during the latter part of Vietnam).
I am sad to say that what little bit of Several of the ministers/ministries you listed that I have been exposed to has made me feel angry.
I really don’t what I should do other than not expose myself to their teaching. I read the Statement of Doctrine of “Beginning of Sorrows” and agree with bullet point 11 which states:
We yearn for the unity of the Spirit, such unity seen as with other Bible-based evangelical Christians, churches, and ministries – even where we may not share all the same nonessential doctrines.
It has been a number of years since I was exposed to the teachings of these ministries so I may be a bit behind the times.
One thing I KNOW I can trust is God’s Word, which by the way and with much help from the Holy Spirit, I read cover to cover 36 times last year. I am disabled and can’t do much physically, so I turned a negative into a positive.
Joshua, I forgot to mention that I have had dementia for several years now and it seems to be getting worse as time goes by.
Hence some of the urgency in reading the scriptures.
Why that dont you just take up the heresy of John MacArthur on the thing he is most famous for … the false doctrine of cessation! So I would agree that there a lot of false teachers out there that have been rotten from the start or are crossing over to heresies through associations such as you describe. But you treat MacArthur as if the only complaint you could have on him is guilt by association with the guilty. I dont disagree with your point but why dont you (or do you) call him out on the false teaching of cessation. He believes and swallows that doctrine so whole-heartedly that I doubt he would seek healing for his on child or grand baby. I dont mean to sound hard but that is what happens when we put a supposition (lean on our human carnal understanding). Jesus (as it clearly states in several places in the scripture from Isaiah to Peter’s Epistles paid in full for more that just our sin but also our deliverance and healing. The problem is that people who deny the power of the Gospel wont likely every see it happen to them or anyone who would be dependent upon them for that power. Case in point. I got word from a coworker that his brother was on his deathbed, basically dead already. He died in the hospital and they tried to revive him and put him on life support where he remained for some time in such a deep coma that there was no brain activity. The coworker was very upset that the doctor had tasked him with pulling the family together to agree to pull the plug – the doctors said he was gone. Being a christian who understands healing is real and raising people from the dead is real, AND knowing the brother was unsaved (and lived a bad life), I immediately prayed “Lord, he cannot enter heaven” to which I heard in my ear a small voice say “And no one is praying”. I would never have even thought to volunteer for this prayer assignment. But I knew the voice was clearly from God in response to my plea. So it was clear that God was telling me to intercede for him … a man I had never met or seen. So i went straight home on my lunch and knelt in my prayer spot and with serious, unwavering focus I asked God to bring this man back to life and out of the coma. I asked God to let him come out fully talking to show no brain damage.” In a couple of days the coworker came to me with astonishment to find his brother was awake. I said is he talking? And he said strangely, yes! So I asked when he will come home and get back to work. He replied “oh no, his lungs arnt working – he is still on life support. So I went home at lunch again and prayed for God to bring his lungs back online and make it obvious he no longer needs life support. Again in a day or so, the report came back that the brother was breathing on his own. But alas he still could not leave the hospital because his liver was not functioning. I knew from biology that the liver will heal itself in 3 months but I prayed “God you can bring his liver back in 3 days – so I asked God to do this. Again in 3 days the liver was fully functional and the baffled doctors and family were calling this a miraculous – but now that he could go home, he was going to be on double dialysis twice a week because the kidneys were offline – doctors said permanently. I went back and prayed “God I dont believe you healed all that to leave him a burden”, so I asked God to bring the kidneys back to life over the next few weeks. and in about 3 weeks his kidneys were back and he was allowed back to work. Some time passed when the Lord spoke and told me remember why you prayed for him. … Yes because you cannot accept Jesus in a coma. That man had no chance if they pulled the plug. Well – I obeyed God and began praying for his salvation. He had moved away to another state up north. But after some time, I got word through the brother that he said he had found a church and accepted Jesus as savior. and God used this to teach me that it is incumbent on us true Christians to care about the LOST souls. Pray for them as if we would want to be prayed for knowing what we know. It revolutionized my understanding of what it means to BE a christian. I have had a few encounters with people from the John MacArthur congregation, and they were the nastiest Christians i ever met. If this is the fruit of sitting under his teaching of cessation, then isn’t it important to take him up on the heresy he actively teaches in first person. You aren’t surprised that his affiliations are so flawed when his pride is so evident in his own heretical pontifications.
Well it’s a good thing we have Joshua Chavez to police everyone. 🙄
Hey, I came here wondering if anyone has found a problem with JD Hall and another discernment ministry.
I also have had problems with JD’s harsh tone. I didn’t find your tone to be harsh, but rebuking!
I have tried to listen to MacArthur, I do not like the tone of his pedantic voice patterns.
My child applied to The Masters College mainly bc it was in the same state as we were and was sent a cassette to listen to about the cessation of the gifts of the Spirit. Now why does he say that bc when Paul wrote to the church of Corinthians they obviously were NOT apostles and were working the gifts in a most imperfect way. I have not found the scripture that states the cessation of the Holy Spirit gifts.
I have not been part of a local church for years and have looked for one. Since 1997 I have not trusted anyone in the church and see it more as a money making institution with little regard for the ppl sitting in the congregation except what they can get out of them in service or money.
Thanks for this article. I have wondered about all the popular discernment ministries for a while and as they do rile me up with their much speaking there seems little I can do about what they speak of.
I stumbled across this post when searching for an issue regarding MacArthur andmy interest was peaked bc I use to attend FBC of Sidney, MT and have years of personal interaction with Jordan Hall. He is a cult leader and the epitome of darkness masquerading as light. He stinks of pride and arrogance. He wields the Word as a weapon, abusing the trusting people of the church. He seeks only to further his own agenda and his own name. There is not an ounce of Christian charity in his pompous, self righteous, truth twisting judgement.
He exhibits many symptoms of clinical narcissism and sociopathy. He is exactly the type of person I would fear for others to be around.
Hypocrisy is part and parcel of these behavioral disorder for which he is in absolute control and fully responsible.
I am curious about your own personal experience with him. Anything specific you would like to share? Not that I would be surprised by much.
-he never helped set up or clean up for any church event
-when hosting in his home he would sit and talk of the hymns he wrote, never once concerning himself with food prep or childcare of his own children. He wouldn’t even grill the hotdogs for his kids bday party.
-he expected everyone to be at his beck and call
-I talked to some women about starting an informal women’s book club/bible study. And Jordan called all the husbands and told them they won’t let their wives participate bc it’s not sanctioned by the church and I was operating sinfully outside of the church. All I wanted to do was read a book with some friends.
-His wife organized a Valentine’s Day party for kids and I didn’t want to go…winter in Montana and I had 5 children 6 and under including a newborn. So Jordan called my husband and told him I have to go.
-his son (about 6 yrs old at the time) punched my daughter (6 yrs old) so my son (5 yrs old) pushed the kid. Guess who got reprimanded by Jordan…my son.
-when I went to Jordan and deacons for help with my husbands porn addiction, he did nothing.
-he gossiped about other church leaders.
-we went to the Presbyterian Church once when Jordan was out of town and my husband was worried Jordan would find out and we would get in trouble.
Wow. Yet another heretic journalist writing another sensationalist article, trying to be a glamour boy and cream of the crop. Regardless of what others have done, point the finger back and test the spirits. You lack what you accuse. Your use of scripture is out of context and appealing. You neglect scriptures that don’t feed what you are trying to contrive. You don’t understand that verses like Romans 16:32 apply to YOU! (Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them.). You should be ashamed of your cult like behavior. The Lord will judge you for misleading his children. You are no better than a televangelist.
You have no biblical or factual objection to the article because you are an emotional babbler.
I see nowhere any of you who are criticizing having gone to any of the men in your cross- hairs and confronted them with Mt. 18. If you are going to criticize and publish something like this for all to see, then you better have the order in which you proceed grounded in Scripture. Show me where you have sat down with any or all of these men and asked them to explain why they endorse or are friends with these others.
If you are going to quote Scripture, then please do so in context. Matthew 18 is about personal sin, not public doctrinal or practical error. If you are contending that these men sinned against me personally, then please tell us the secret that you seem to know that I don’t. “If you brother sins against you….” Please read Galatians 2 if you wish to better understand why this is being approached publicly as it is. Thanks.
Josh: You are doing the right thing by exposing lack of fruit and us stupid sheeple who didn’t weigh it out and research a matter and weigh it by the Bible. Like what you said, basically it’s NOT what they are telling you OR how they are all tied in with one another whether they be Masons-Masonic, Mormons and funded and supported by satanic, luciferian regimes.
What your exposing to Brian and everyone, is these Ministries have absolutely NO FRUIT, fruitless and their god is money, power, greed, lies John 8:44 and John 10:10. Not doing Matthew 25:31-end, as they are self-serving narcissistic socipath/psychopath’s building empires, regimes, kingdom’s to themselves SET UP to suck out the people’s time and money and time you cannot get back! God doesn’t get any money, nor do the poor, homeless, widow, orphan, single parents and their children. Can’t believe all these evil regimes exist with ALL THEIR LIES and people tithe, attend, throw money at, put their derriere in the seat to get LIED TO! Amazing to supporting “the good ol’ boy network”.